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      7th August 2006, 06:00 PM
I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer still
had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.

During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a lot
like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
vehicle.

Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the squeal
returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
from driving.

Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
would that happen on both sides at the same time?

The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want the
vehicle fixed.

 
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      7th August 2006, 06:54 PM
Could this also be as simple as the calipers being set too tight? Or
there being too much brake fluid that forces the brakes to be partially
applied all the time?


http://www.thenissanforums.com/(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer still
> had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.
>
> During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a lot
> like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
> got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
> vehicle.
>
> Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the squeal
> returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
> work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
> arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
> week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
> quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
> burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
> front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
> finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
> this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
> 35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
> from driving.
>
> Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
> seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
> would that happen on both sides at the same time?
>
> The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
> not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
> wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want the
> vehicle fixed.


 
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Chuck Tribolet
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      7th August 2006, 10:39 PM
There's no adjustment to make the calipers "too tight". And too much
fluid would just make a mess.


<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> Could this also be as simple as the calipers being set too tight? Or
> there being too much brake fluid that forces the brakes to be partially
> applied all the time?
>
>
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer still
>> had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.
>>
>> During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a lot
>> like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
>> got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
>> vehicle.
>>
>> Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the squeal
>> returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
>> work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
>> arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
>> week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
>> quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
>> burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
>> front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
>> finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
>> this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
>> 35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
>> from driving.
>>
>> Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
>> seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
>> would that happen on both sides at the same time?
>>
>> The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
>> not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
>> wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want the
>> vehicle fixed.

>



 
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      8th August 2006, 12:28 AM
Chuck Tribolet wrote:
> There's no adjustment to make the calipers "too tight". And too much
> fluid would just make a mess.


Ditto, no adjustment. Is this a 4x4? I'd we thinking wheel bearings. I
wouldn't drive too far until you know.

 
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      8th August 2006, 03:32 AM
more likely, the calipers are hanging-up. probably not able to slide in the
caliper mount and the caliper piston is also stuck (due to gunk/junk in
caliper & brake fluid). you'll probably need to get them over-hauled or get
pre-loaded calipers.

<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> Could this also be as simple as the calipers being set too tight? Or
> there being too much brake fluid that forces the brakes to be partially
> applied all the time?
>
>
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer still
>> had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.
>>
>> During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a lot
>> like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
>> got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
>> vehicle.
>>
>> Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the squeal
>> returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
>> work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
>> arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
>> week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
>> quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
>> burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
>> front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
>> finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
>> this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
>> 35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
>> from driving.
>>
>> Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
>> seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
>> would that happen on both sides at the same time?
>>
>> The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
>> not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
>> wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want the
>> vehicle fixed.

>



 
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      8th August 2006, 02:23 PM
I thought it was just my car. I have a '95 and it does the same thing.
I get the squeal after it's been driving for 10-15 mins. I've had the
brake work done, my axle replaced, and still squeal. I was told it
might be an alignment issue. Anybody else have any ideas?

: p wrote:
> more likely, the calipers are hanging-up. probably not able to slide in the
> caliper mount and the caliper piston is also stuck (due to gunk/junk in
> caliper & brake fluid). you'll probably need to get them over-hauled or get
> pre-loaded calipers.
>
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
> > Could this also be as simple as the calipers being set too tight? Or
> > there being too much brake fluid that forces the brakes to be partially
> > applied all the time?
> >
> >
> > (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> >> I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer still
> >> had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.
> >>
> >> During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a lot
> >> like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
> >> got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
> >> vehicle.
> >>
> >> Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the squeal
> >> returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
> >> work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
> >> arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
> >> week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
> >> quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
> >> burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
> >> front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
> >> finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
> >> this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
> >> 35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
> >> from driving.
> >>
> >> Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
> >> seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
> >> would that happen on both sides at the same time?
> >>
> >> The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
> >> not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
> >> wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want the
> >> vehicle fixed.

> >


 
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      9th August 2006, 05:41 AM
alignment wont cause or have anything to do with brake squeal. It'd only
affect drivability and tire wear.
brake squeal can be caused by poor quality pads, pads fitting poorly in the
mount, no anti-rattle clips, mounts/slides rusty (even light rust) or dirty
and not lubricated (I use a very light coating of anti-seize on metal to
metal contact areas where movement is allowable), calipers not sliding
properly, rear brakes not adjusting properly. even driving habits can cause
a problem (heavy foot/constantly riding brakes).

"Pathfinder95" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) oups.com...
>I thought it was just my car. I have a '95 and it does the same thing.
> I get the squeal after it's been driving for 10-15 mins. I've had the
> brake work done, my axle replaced, and still squeal. I was told it
> might be an alignment issue. Anybody else have any ideas?
>
> : p wrote:
>> more likely, the calipers are hanging-up. probably not able to slide in
>> the
>> caliper mount and the caliper piston is also stuck (due to gunk/junk in
>> caliper & brake fluid). you'll probably need to get them over-hauled or
>> get
>> pre-loaded calipers.
>>
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed) ups.com...
>> > Could this also be as simple as the calipers being set too tight? Or
>> > there being too much brake fluid that forces the brakes to be partially
>> > applied all the time?
>> >
>> >
>> > (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> >> I recently purchased a 97 Pathfinder that according to the dealer
>> >> still
>> >> had >50% of the life of the front brakes on it.
>> >>
>> >> During the test drive there was some squealing sound that sounded a
>> >> lot
>> >> like metal on metal and I made mention of this to the sales person and
>> >> got word that it would be inspected and fixed prior to my taking the
>> >> vehicle.
>> >>
>> >> Flash forward a week and I take the car, on the drive home...the
>> >> squeal
>> >> returns. It takes about 15ish minutes to show up, and I think in their
>> >> work they never drove it more than around the parking lot. I make
>> >> arrangements to bring the car back for work to be done later in the
>> >> week but a few days later while driving the sound comes up fairly
>> >> quickly and while driving I smell something very hot almost like it is
>> >> burning. I stop and take a deeper look into things and discover the
>> >> front wheel rotors are hot enough to boil my spit. If I had just
>> >> finished driving down a steep grade and rode my brakes the whole time,
>> >> this would be normal, but I just finished driving on a road that had a
>> >> 35 mph speed limit with no stop lights. The heat had to have come just
>> >> from driving.
>> >>
>> >> Any ideas as to what this could be? I've read some things about some
>> >> seals inside of the wheels drying out and requiring more grease, but
>> >> would that happen on both sides at the same time?
>> >>
>> >> The service dept at the dealership seems to be clueless and I'd rather
>> >> not get my complaints and their failure to address them documented,
>> >> wait for the front end to catch on fire, and sue them...I just want
>> >> the
>> >> vehicle fixed.
>> >

>



 
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      9th August 2006, 03:12 PM
Update of sorts for the original post...

The Lexus dealership where I bought the Pathfinder spent a day and a
half looking at the thing and driving it around. They said the brakes
were completely fine and nothing was set up in a way with that that
would cause any issues. One of the techs drove it around for what they
said was 20 minutes and never heard any squealing, another said he
heard normal braking sounds while SPEEDING UP!? and slowing down. I was
also told the heat on the front wheels is something normal.

I took the car (which had the stereo at a much higher volume when I got
it than the off position it was in when I left it with them...wonder if
that helped their hearing) and about 12-15 minutes after leaving the
squeal had returned. It is independent of braking in every way aside
from the fact that changing the speed of the car changes the pitch of
the sound. It sounds like metal rubbing on metal and is most easily
heard at around 15-40 mph (any faster and I think the pitch goes out of
my hearing range, slower and it sounds like scratching more than
squealing). Upon returning to the dearlship I got out and felt the
front and back wheels...the front wheel rotors could again vaporize
water, but the back was cool to the touch. I know the front brakes take
on more of the load of stopping the car and after a lot of braking they
should generate a little more heat...but nothing this different.

I'm out of ideas and getting frustrated.

 
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      9th August 2006, 03:44 PM



On 8/9/06 10:12 AM, in article
(E-Mail Removed) om,
"(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Update of sorts for the original post...
>
> The Lexus dealership where I bought the Pathfinder spent a day and a
> half looking at the thing and driving it around. They said the brakes
> were completely fine and nothing was set up in a way with that that
> would cause any issues. One of the techs drove it around for what they
> said was 20 minutes and never heard any squealing, another said he
> heard normal braking sounds while SPEEDING UP!? and slowing down. I was
> also told the heat on the front wheels is something normal.
>
> I took the car (which had the stereo at a much higher volume when I got
> it than the off position it was in when I left it with them...wonder if
> that helped their hearing) and about 12-15 minutes after leaving the
> squeal had returned. It is independent of braking in every way aside
> from the fact that changing the speed of the car changes the pitch of
> the sound. It sounds like metal rubbing on metal and is most easily
> heard at around 15-40 mph (any faster and I think the pitch goes out of
> my hearing range, slower and it sounds like scratching more than
> squealing). Upon returning to the dearlship I got out and felt the
> front and back wheels...the front wheel rotors could again vaporize
> water, but the back was cool to the touch. I know the front brakes take
> on more of the load of stopping the car and after a lot of braking they
> should generate a little more heat...but nothing this different.
>
> I'm out of ideas and getting frustrated.
>


Take it somewhere else for a second opinion. These guys are either not
interested in fixing it (do they have a warranty obligation?), or too
unfamiliar with Pathfinders to properly diagnose it.

 
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      9th August 2006, 09:46 PM
The salesperson was able to duplicate the problem and the car is now at
a Nissan dealership. Hopefully they can find the cause of the problem
and get it fixed.

 
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