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jdr01930
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      23rd December 2004, 04:45 AM
This started a few days ago:
When I start the engine, it starts right up, but there is a grinding noise
for a few seconds right after the engine turns over. I am NOT a mechanic,
but it sounds like the starter motor is not disengaging immediately after
the engine turns over. (no, I'm not holding the key in the Start position,
but that what it sounds like!) It does this about 80% of the time.

Wild guess, but at 121,000 miles, it sounds like it's probably time for a
new starter!

I have a Haynes Nissan Automotive Repair manual that a friend gave me a
while back, and it makes replacing the starter LOOK easy. Would this be a
good DIY project if I want to start saving some $$ and start doing some of
this stuff myself? Like I said, I am not a mechanic, but I am mechanically
inclined and am pretty good with tools.

Also, the manual has exploded views of the starter. Can the starter be
cleaned out/repaired, or is it best to not go there.

Finally, if I let this go for a week or so before fixing it, will it do
any damage?
Car is a 94 Pathfinder XE 4x4 Automatic V6

Thanks - John

 
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      23rd December 2004, 05:45 AM
It sounds like the gear on the starter is definitely worn, I just hope
that the teeth on the flexplate (since it's an automatic) aren't
equally as worn. If the flexplate teeth are, then it's time to drop
the transmission or pull the engine to replace the flexplate.

The best thing to do would be enlist the aid of a helper and pull the
starter and check (an inspection mirror and flashlight would be the
best combo) the teeth on the flexplate while an assistant turns the
engine over by the crank pulley bolt. If he/she goes slow, which is
what you want to do so you can honestly judge each of the teeth, they
shouldn't have too much trouble building up compression and keeping
the engine from turning over. Check the entire circumference of the
flexplate for any chips or heavy wear in groupings of teeth.

Now as for the starter bendix gear, that should be pretty obvious (and
may even have metal shavings throughout the nose piece in severe
cases). To remove it, disconnect your battery, the cable from the
starter solenoid (which may/may not be easier once the starter is
actually unbolted and try accessing it through the right front wheel
well area with the tire removed) and the 2 bolts that hold the starter
in place `should' go through from the transmission end. So you'll be
better off if you have a LOOONG 3/8" extension bar for your ratchet.

The real trick on these is actually getting the starter out of its
VERY close quarters. It's been SO long, but after recent discussions
here in regards to this model Pathfinder (with the V6 and 4WD), the
going trick is that you have to take the starter all the way forward
of the engine, maybe twisting it somewhat one way or the other as you
come forward to clear everything.

It sounds like this would make for a great first project for you.
Just allow lots of time, because even for someone familiar with it, it
takes patience to get that thing out.

A friendly word of caution. If indeed you do discover that the teeth
on the starter gear are worn out, spend the extra money and get a
genuine Nissan starter from your local dealer. This is one job you
won't want to have to repeat for at LEAST another 120,000 miles. :-)
It wouldn't hurt to ask the parts guys if they sell just the bendix
gear from Nissan. It seems to stick in my mind that there was one
model (it's been so long ago though) of Nissan for a certain year
timeframe that they put out just the bendix gear assembly as a rebuild
option for the customer. Again, that may/may not apply here. Don't
get sticker shock on the starter either. You're paying for that
quality and the peace of mind of not having to replace one of those
lesser grade `lifetime warranty' starters every 20-30,000 miles. Who
cares if it's free if you have to drop it out every 2 years or sooner?
I'd rather pay for reliability. Anyhow...

If the gear teeth on the starter are worn, they will (if they haven't
already) begin excessively wearing the teeth down on the flexplate.
Then you really have a headache in either paying someone else to drop
the trans or pull the engine to replace the flexplate or go through
the headache of doing it yourself.

Another bit of advice though? If you see wear on the flexplate teeth,
don't even bother putting a new starter on until you or someone else
has replaced that flexplate as it will quickly ruin the new starter
gear teeth.

Let us know what you find.

Wil

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 23:45:31 -0500, "jdr01930"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>This started a few days ago:
>When I start the engine, it starts right up, but there is a grinding noise
>for a few seconds right after the engine turns over. I am NOT a mechanic,
>but it sounds like the starter motor is not disengaging immediately after
>the engine turns over. (no, I'm not holding the key in the Start position,
>but that what it sounds like!) It does this about 80% of the time.
>
>Wild guess, but at 121,000 miles, it sounds like it's probably time for a
>new starter!
>
>I have a Haynes Nissan Automotive Repair manual that a friend gave me a
>while back, and it makes replacing the starter LOOK easy. Would this be a
>good DIY project if I want to start saving some $$ and start doing some of
>this stuff myself? Like I said, I am not a mechanic, but I am mechanically
>inclined and am pretty good with tools.
>
>Also, the manual has exploded views of the starter. Can the starter be
>cleaned out/repaired, or is it best to not go there.
>
>Finally, if I let this go for a week or so before fixing it, will it do
>any damage?
>Car is a 94 Pathfinder XE 4x4 Automatic V6
>
>Thanks - John



 
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      23rd December 2004, 11:48 AM
Thanks Wil!
OUCH - that drop tranny/pull engine bit sounds rather ominous/expensive. I
don't think I'd take that on myself!

Anyway, I'm suppose to get out of work early today, and have the next 4
days off, so I'm going try to take starter out this afternoon or tomorrow
morning. Since I've never really seen the flexplate before, if it's
condition is ambigous I might try to get creative w/ my digital camera and
a mirror, and put some pictures of it on my website for evaluation.
Hopefully you could take a look if it comes down to it. I'll keep you
posted.

If it does come to replacing the flexplate, would I be better of having
the dealer do it, or a local garage?

John

 
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      23rd December 2004, 04:43 PM
Sure, just post the link to your site/the pictures. Get as sharp of
an image as you can of any area on the flexplate you may be suspicious
of. Maybe try to get several angles of view with good lighting, as
best you can given the area. :-)

If the flexplate needs replacing, definitely use a genuine Nissan part
but as for who installs it, excellent question. I'm partial, for many
reasons, to tell you to have the dealer do it because their techs (if
they've been around a while) will have experience in working on your
specific model vehicle and to them the procedure will be second nature
and they can fly right through it, they'll know what does and what
doesn't have to happen to get in there. So in the end, that can save
you money (and headache) that you might think you're saving over the
independent garage. But if your independent shop has a former Nissan
tech or you truly have built up a good working relationship, go for
it.

A word to the wise though? If you have to have the flexplate
replaced, go ahead and have the rear main seal replaced (also with a
geuine Nissan part) while it's all exposed. Even if it's not seeping,
just do it! And make sure (as reasonably that you can) that the shop
uses a small dab of wheel bearing grease on the lip of the seal before
they install it (some of the newer seals being sold already come with
a grease on the lip and then the seal is bagged, which is sweet). It
takes an additional 5 minutes average to properly remove that old seal
and install the new one (it just pops out and taps in) once the
flexplate is off and it's cheap insurance. Maybe $25-$30 for the seal
itself.

Wil


On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:48:17 -0500, "jdr01930"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Thanks Wil!
>OUCH - that drop tranny/pull engine bit sounds rather ominous/expensive. I
>don't think I'd take that on myself!
>
>Anyway, I'm suppose to get out of work early today, and have the next 4
>days off, so I'm going try to take starter out this afternoon or tomorrow
>morning. Since I've never really seen the flexplate before, if it's
>condition is ambigous I might try to get creative w/ my digital camera and
>a mirror, and put some pictures of it on my website for evaluation.
>Hopefully you could take a look if it comes down to it. I'll keep you
>posted.
>
>If it does come to replacing the flexplate, would I be better of having
>the dealer do it, or a local garage?
>
>John



 
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      24th December 2004, 05:58 PM
Truck <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Sure, just post the link to your site/the pictures. Get as sharp of
> an image as you can of any area on the flexplate you may be suspicious
> of. Maybe try to get several angles of view with good lighting, as
> best you can given the area. :-)
>

Wil- I am following this thread and wanted to thank you for sharing such
good info. Really appreciate it.

A related question- I think my rear main is leaking; I need to do have
the shop do the UV test to verify (as recommended to me by this group-
the oil leaks along the oil pan and bell housing). The estimate to
replace the rear main is $800 from a local shop; around $1300 from
Nissan. So I would advise replacing that seal if it will only cost you
a few clams. My guess is they can tell me if my flex plate is damaged
when they are going for the rear main?

Thanks!


> If the flexplate needs replacing, definitely use a genuine Nissan part
> but as for who installs it, excellent question. I'm partial, for many
> reasons, to tell you to have the dealer do it because their techs (if
> they've been around a while) will have experience in working on your
> specific model vehicle and to them the procedure will be second nature
> and they can fly right through it, they'll know what does and what
> doesn't have to happen to get in there. So in the end, that can save
> you money (and headache) that you might think you're saving over the
> independent garage. But if your independent shop has a former Nissan
> tech or you truly have built up a good working relationship, go for
> it.
>
> A word to the wise though? If you have to have the flexplate
> replaced, go ahead and have the rear main seal replaced (also with a
> geuine Nissan part) while it's all exposed. Even if it's not seeping,
> just do it! And make sure (as reasonably that you can) that the shop
> uses a small dab of wheel bearing grease on the lip of the seal before
> they install it (some of the newer seals being sold already come with
> a grease on the lip and then the seal is bagged, which is sweet). It
> takes an additional 5 minutes average to properly remove that old seal
> and install the new one (it just pops out and taps in) once the
> flexplate is off and it's cheap insurance. Maybe $25-$30 for the seal
> itself.
>
> Wil
>
>
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:48:17 -0500, "jdr01930"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Thanks Wil!
>>OUCH - that drop tranny/pull engine bit sounds rather
>>ominous/expensive. I don't think I'd take that on myself!
>>
>>Anyway, I'm suppose to get out of work early today, and have the next
>>4 days off, so I'm going try to take starter out this afternoon or
>>tomorrow morning. Since I've never really seen the flexplate before,
>>if it's condition is ambigous I might try to get creative w/ my
>>digital camera and a mirror, and put some pictures of it on my website
>>for evaluation. Hopefully you could take a look if it comes down to
>>it. I'll keep you posted.
>>
>>If it does come to replacing the flexplate, would I be better of
>>having the dealer do it, or a local garage?
>>
>>John

>
>


 
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      24th December 2004, 07:55 PM
Always glad to help. :-)

Yes, the UV test is an excellent idea. Also yes on flex plate
question. They'll have it off to get to the seal so there won't be
any additional labor to replace it if it needs to be. The only thing
is that since it won't be a `stock item', you'll need to have them
order it in advance since it may take a few days to come in.

Wil


On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:58:24 GMT, MM <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>

>Wil- I am following this thread and wanted to thank you for sharing such
>good info. Really appreciate it.
>
>A related question- I think my rear main is leaking; I need to do have
>the shop do the UV test to verify (as recommended to me by this group-
>the oil leaks along the oil pan and bell housing). The estimate to
>replace the rear main is $800 from a local shop; around $1300 from
>Nissan. So I would advise replacing that seal if it will only cost you
>a few clams. My guess is they can tell me if my flex plate is damaged
>when they are going for the rear main?
>
>Thanks!



 
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      25th December 2004, 04:50 PM
Merry Christmas and happy holidays everyone!
Between holidays and weather, have not had a chance to try removing
starter. Spent some quality time under the car, though. Looks like royal
pain in the arse.
Gotta pick up a set of jack stands on Monday.

I found a great step-by-step guide on WD21 forums with pictures of the
process, in case anyone is interested:

http://wd21forums.damagedreality.com...topic.php?t=97

I also set up a little site to post pics of the car to aid in
troubleshooting. Only thing there so far is a picture of the car itself,
and a picture of the frame rot from an earlier thread (got price of $200
from a welder to plasma cut and weld on metal to go on arch over the rear
wheel on both sides.)

http://www.carpics.webhop.net

(that's a redirect, if you have trouble with it, try:
http://users.adelphia.net/~jdr01930/CarSite/


Thanks! - John


 
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      25th December 2004, 06:50 PM
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      28th December 2004, 06:14 PM
Ended up getting a snow storm here - not ideal conditions to work on a car
if you don't have a garage! Anyway, took the car to a good local shop. I
said I'd prefer a genuine nissan starter, if they concurred the starter
needed to be replaced (which they did). Flexplate was fine - sigh of
relief!. Turned out the difference in price was only a few dollars for
Nissan vs aftermarket (remanufactures for both). The dealer was snowed in
so the shop said, if I can get down there and buy the part, they'll just
charge labor. I offered to let them take their mark up on the part, but
they actually refused! Charged me $70 to install the starter, problem is
fixed. Cool!

Also, I asked them about the frame rot as they are an inspection station.
They said It'll pass as is. Still gonna get the plates welded in.

Thanks for the recommendation on requesting Nissan part - ended up not
costing any more!

 
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