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Mission Impossible: Thermostat change on a 98 Sentra GA16DE

 
Codifus
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      13th November 2007, 09:38 PM
So I changed my anti-freeze and was going to do the thermostat. I looked
over the obvious locations and couldn't find it. I consulted the service
manual and the diagram shows me that the thermostat housing is mounted
right next to the water pump . . .behind the engine. Holy cow what a
fantastic nightmare to try to reach it! Three bolts hold it in place,
the 3rd one you can't even see and have to reach up to from under the
car, going past the oil filter.

Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave it
and wait for when the water pump fails.

Thanks

CD
 
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Timmy Jones
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      13th November 2007, 09:56 PM
If it ain't broken...


"Codifus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> So I changed my anti-freeze and was going to do the thermostat. I looked
> over the obvious locations and couldn't find it. I consulted the service
> manual and the diagram shows me that the thermostat housing is mounted
> right next to the water pump . . .behind the engine. Holy cow what a
> fantastic nightmare to try to reach it! Three bolts hold it in place, the
> 3rd one you can't even see and have to reach up to from under the car,
> going past the oil filter.
>
> Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave it
> and wait for when the water pump fails.
>
> Thanks
>
> CD



 
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frederick
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      13th November 2007, 10:05 PM
Codifus wrote:
> So I changed my anti-freeze and was going to do the thermostat. I looked
> over the obvious locations and couldn't find it. I consulted the service
> manual and the diagram shows me that the thermostat housing is mounted
> right next to the water pump . . .behind the engine. Holy cow what a
> fantastic nightmare to try to reach it! Three bolts hold it in place,
> the 3rd one you can't even see and have to reach up to from under the
> car, going past the oil filter.
>
> Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave it
> and wait for when the water pump fails.
>

No easy way I know of - I agree that it's in a terrible
place for access. A mirror helps. Also the coolant hose
clamps in that area are a near impossibility.
Don't forget the two bleed screws when refilling the system,
one on the intake manifold - above right of the water pump,
the other one on the head under/behind the distributor is
easy to miss. Both marked with "don't remove when engine
hot" stickers. The drain plug for the block is behind the
catalytic converter.
 
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NissTech
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      14th November 2007, 01:59 AM
Agreed,

Technicians rule #1

1. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

rule #2

2. Customers don't break/fuc* up their cars, The Technician does.







"Timmy Jones" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> If it ain't broken...
>
>
> "Codifus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:hPo_i.1950$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > So I changed my anti-freeze and was going to do the thermostat. I looked
> > over the obvious locations and couldn't find it. I consulted the service
> > manual and the diagram shows me that the thermostat housing is mounted
> > right next to the water pump . . .behind the engine. Holy cow what a
> > fantastic nightmare to try to reach it! Three bolts hold it in place,

the
> > 3rd one you can't even see and have to reach up to from under the car,
> > going past the oil filter.
> >
> > Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave it
> > and wait for when the water pump fails.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > CD

>
>



 
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still just me
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      14th November 2007, 07:07 PM
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:38:21 -0500, Codifus <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave it
>and wait for when the water pump fails.


The only reason to change the thermostat when you change the AF is to
avoid a possible failure (and loss of new AF when you have to change
it). Since the failure mode is not severe (your car runs cold until
you fix it) and since the AF is not very expensive, I'd let it ride
until it starts acting up.

 
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Codifus
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      14th November 2007, 08:55 PM
frederick wrote:
> Codifus wrote:
>
>> So I changed my anti-freeze and was going to do the thermostat. I
>> looked over the obvious locations and couldn't find it. I consulted
>> the service manual and the diagram shows me that the thermostat
>> housing is mounted right next to the water pump . . .behind the
>> engine. Holy cow what a fantastic nightmare to try to reach it! Three
>> bolts hold it in place, the 3rd one you can't even see and have to
>> reach up to from under the car, going past the oil filter.
>>
>> Does anyone know of an easy way to get at it? I may just simply leave
>> it and wait for when the water pump fails.
>>

> No easy way I know of - I agree that it's in a terrible place for
> access. A mirror helps. Also the coolant hose clamps in that area are
> a near impossibility.
> Don't forget the two bleed screws when refilling the system, one on the
> intake manifold - above right of the water pump, the other one on the
> head under/behind the distributor is easy to miss. Both marked with
> "don't remove when engine hot" stickers. The drain plug for the block
> is behind the catalytic converter.

Thanks for the tip. I'm leaving it for when the pump fails. rusted out
bolts added to the difficulty of getting at parts. Damned Northest weather.

And for those who thought I was replacing it just for the hell of it,
the thermostat was displaying classic worn out behavior: car gets warm,
get on the highway, car gets cold. After 170K miles, my thermostat may
not be broke, but it sure is tired, and I wnted to keep my car warm
during the coming winter months.

CD
 
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Jim Yanik
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      15th November 2007, 01:23 AM
Codifus <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
> And for those who thought I was replacing it just for the hell of it,
> the thermostat was displaying classic worn out behavior: car gets
> warm, get on the highway, car gets cold. After 170K miles, my
> thermostat may not be broke,


Yes,it is broke;the temp would not be fluctuating if it wasn't broke.

> but it sure is tired, and I wnted to keep
> my car warm during the coming winter months.
>
> CD
>


you can't find a shop to change it for you?
They have lifts and can get at it from underneath easier,and are usually
heated shops,up north.

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      15th November 2007, 08:34 PM
Jim Yanik wrote:
> Codifus <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
>
>> And for those who thought I was replacing it just for the hell of it,
>> the thermostat was displaying classic worn out behavior: car gets
>> warm, get on the highway, car gets cold. After 170K miles, my
>> thermostat may not be broke,

>
> Yes,it is broke;the temp would not be fluctuating if it wasn't broke.
>
>> but it sure is tired, and I wnted to keep
>> my car warm during the coming winter months.
>>
>> CD
>>

>
> you can't find a shop to change it for you?
> They have lifts and can get at it from underneath easier,and are usually
> heated shops,up north.
>

I think that might be a good idea.
From my experience, it doesn't seem to take much of an
engine overheat for these alloy heads to crack. YMMV.
 
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      15th November 2007, 09:12 PM
On Nov 15, 3:34 pm, frederick <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > Codifus <codi...@optonline.net> wrote in
> >news:WgJ_i.6$(E-Mail Removed):

>
> >> And for those who thought I was replacing it just for the hell of it,
> >> the thermostat was displaying classic worn out behavior: car gets
> >> warm, get on the highway, car gets cold. After 170K miles, my
> >> thermostat may not be broke,

>
> > Yes,it is broke;the temp would not be fluctuating if it wasn't broke.

>
> >> but it sure is tired, and I wnted to keep
> >> my car warm during the coming winter months.

>
> >> CD

>
> > you can't find a shop to change it for you?
> > They have lifts and can get at it from underneath easier,and are usually
> > heated shops,up north.

>
> I think that might be a good idea.
> From my experience, it doesn't seem to take much of an
> engine overheat for these alloy heads to crack. YMMV.


But my car is underheating, not overheating. If it was too hot, I'd
have it in the shop in a second. It's been said that these
thermostats, when they fail, fail open. Apparently that's what's going
on here.

CD
 
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frederick
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      15th November 2007, 09:43 PM
codifus wrote:
> On Nov 15, 3:34 pm, frederick <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>> Jim Yanik wrote:
>>> Codifus <codi...@optonline.net> wrote in
>>> news:WgJ_i.6$(E-Mail Removed):
>>>> And for those who thought I was replacing it just for the hell of it,
>>>> the thermostat was displaying classic worn out behavior: car gets
>>>> warm, get on the highway, car gets cold. After 170K miles, my
>>>> thermostat may not be broke,
>>> Yes,it is broke;the temp would not be fluctuating if it wasn't broke.
>>>> but it sure is tired, and I wnted to keep
>>>> my car warm during the coming winter months.
>>>> CD
>>> you can't find a shop to change it for you?
>>> They have lifts and can get at it from underneath easier,and are usually
>>> heated shops,up north.

>> I think that might be a good idea.
>> From my experience, it doesn't seem to take much of an
>> engine overheat for these alloy heads to crack. YMMV.

>
> But my car is underheating, not overheating. If it was too hot, I'd
> have it in the shop in a second. It's been said that these
> thermostats, when they fail, fail open. Apparently that's what's going
> on here.
>

Probably right... but...
I just went outside to take a look.
Lever the wiring loom clip off the housing to give yourself
more room if you need it. Leave the inlet hose clamp on.
The bottom bolt isn't that hard to get at from above - it's
just that you can't see it, but you can feel it, and can get
to it with a 3/8 drive 10mm socket on a short extension.
After you get the cover off, you should be able to turn it a
bit to loosen the hose clamp with a stubby screwdriver if
you can't get a socket on it. You only need to get the hose
off if you want t clean the cover up before putting it back on.
Page from manual here:
http://i4.tinypic.com/8bjom54.png

 
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